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    Default A Radom pistol in an HP holster.

    I just came back from my cottage where I usually purchase some gun related piece when I am away on holiday,....some years have turned up some pretty interesting things.

    This year I went into the local gun shop and the owner showed me a Radom Vis35 (P35p) pistol Sn.D3347 in a holster that did not look at all like the typical Radom holster,...but it fit like a glove.

    My brain must have been asleep because it took me a day to realize that the pistol was in an HP holster.

    The pistol had "red grips" and two E/819 marked magazines.

    As I already have one Radom pistol Sn. N5075, (with black grips) and not being a passionate Radom collector, I decided to pass, as the gun had the same markings as the one I have. (E/77 & E/623.)

    I would also have to find a correct holster for the Radom pistol, which adds costs to the exercise.

    The owner of the shop suggested.....why don't you buy just the holster without the gun.

    To make a long story short, I bought the HP holster with one of the E/189 Radom mags.

    I told him that I thought he should sell the rig together with the two mags,....but it didn't seem to matter to him.

    The brown HP holster is "dla 44" marked with a WaA195 acceptance stamp.(Karl Barth)

    As it turns out, the HP holster that I currently own (shown in the three photos just below) looks like an unissued "clg 44" with WaAB66 acceptance stamp that always bothered me because it looked unused.

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    This dla44 WaA195 marked holster looks like it has been used,.. with a little more character,.... so for $100 Cdn it was a cheap holiday as far as gun stuff is concerned. (Radom E/819 mag. and HP holster)

    I remember holidays where the cost of the gun stuff was far more brutal.

    Another example of pistols found in the wrong holsters.

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    The photo below does not do justice to the markings,...they are much clearer than the image shows.

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    The original holster my HP pistol came in,....three holsters for one gun,...how insane is that!

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    The HP mags that came with the gun.
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    The Radom E/189 marked magazine that was part of the purchase this summer.

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    The E/189 magazine markings on this magazine ...less than a perfect photo.
    (I suspect this might be a later variation of the E/189 marked magazines.)

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    Another E/189 accepted magazine that I have with the pinned floorplate.(An earlier variation I think.)
    (And a better photo.)

    The bottom magazine in the photo which is partially shown is unmarked.

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    If my memory serves me correctly, Al Hopmeyer once told me these "189" marked magazines were manufactured by the Warsaw Bicycle Manufacturing Company..... but that is only my memory????

    We also discussed the "77" marked magazine,...of which he had one example,....and there were no conclusions?

    The reason I decided not to purchase the "D block" Radom pistol may be partially explained by the photos below. (Same markings as the “D block” gun.)

    The pursuit of this pistol would possibly take me further into a direction that I am currently not ready for.

    Collecting a gun with multiple variations can become a quest that requires more than a little thought before embarking on the journey…in my humble opinion.

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    Faint "bnz" ink stamped marking with WaA acceptance.

    These WaA marked Radom holsters are becoming more difficult to find,...and that becomes part of the quest. (Not to mention the increased investment in the rig.)

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    One of the underlying thoughts that I am sure everyone knows,... adding correct mags and holsters (if they are missing) are all part of the chase,...and certainly come at an additional cost.

    The perfect world senario (possibly),...one buys a complete correct rig at a fair market price,.... as I suspect the sum of the additional costs of the missing components may eventually exceed what the rig is worth.

    This is a pure investment perspective,...it does not account for the pleasure of the hunt to find what is missing!

    David



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    David, nice leather, nice to have a deal once in awhile isn't it.

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    Thanks James,.....yes.. a good deal every now and then is good for the soul,....and the pocketbook!

    I never know what I am going to find when I go on vacation to my cottage.

    There is a small country gunshop in the vacinity where I have purchased a number of pieces over the years, including a 1938 dated S/42 P.08 with two matching mags, a P.38 ac42 in a superb 1936 dated P.08 holster.

    It is the fourth time I have found nice German WW11 pistols in the wrong holsters in this little shop.

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    David

    If I were you I wouldn,t tell a soul. Thats something to keep all to yourself. Original goods coming in from a semi retirement area is just great.

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    James, like so many other things,....it is all about timing.

    This shop serves the hunting community primarily, and the owner is a knowledgeable fellow, but not particularily on WW11 German stuff,.... on British and Canadian arms he is really up to speed.

    I believe he takes most of the WW11 items on consignment, so it doesn't matter if he splits up a rig as long as the sale proceeds at the end of the day make sense to him.

    He told me that not long ago, he got a BNZ K98k sniper all matching and correct that someone had hidden behind a gyproc partition wall in his house.

    The gun was sold to a serious dealer for $10,000 US in a "heartbeat" who had a buyer in hand. (It would be interesting to know the price it was resold for.)

    The owner of the shop is a patient fellow,...not inclined to negotiate,....as I have learned over the years.

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    Interesting. I bought a vet bring-back 1943 mfg. Type II Radom in a dla 44 / Barth Hi-Power holster at a gun show a couple of years ago. Makes me wonder a bit as to whether there might have been some connection. Or, it could just be coincidental.

    -Bob

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    Bob, when I told the owner of the gun shop that his Radom pistol was in an HP holster,...he said.... same profile pistol.
    Who knows???

    David

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