Ed, All I have seen in years past were "pre-Haenel extruded" examples. Which leads me to believe these were Weimar police magazines. The question as to where the 3rd mag was carried on one's body was discussed years ago in AUTOMAG, and the answer was determined to come from original police information that noted it (the 3rd example) was to be carried in the tunic/shirt pocket. The Sunburst K represents (supposively) the 1st letter of the Chief of the police acceptance department's last name... Krause, whose office was located in Berlin. These mags were in use in the 1930s when the Sauer Behörden pistols that were accepted also had the Sunburst K acceptance marking on them. I believe the K & Krause relationship was proven also. Regards, JIM
All of the "3" marked magazines I have seen with pistol were Haenel Schmeisser even when the other matched mag, 1 or 2, was not and all the pistols were Landjaegerei marked with matching brown holsters.
So if a rack number and a grip number are the same thing, then the starburst/K #3 bearing the 422 on my pistol grip is correct for the gun. Good to know. Now my question becomes who has magazines 1 and 2?
Match mags do show up. I have matched 3 luger mags and a Mauser 1914 mag for other people and have matched 2 Luger mags for me. One from a Forum member.
I will have to post an up dated mag list soon.
#3 mags were earlier for Landjaegerei and later probably for Einzeldienst. Perhaps Don has additional.
As George already mentioned are all 3 numbered mags issued to the Landjägerei Lugers while other Police Lugers were issued with only 2 mags. One can find the order in the "Ministerialblatt für die Preussische Innere Verwaltung"
It is interesting, but it seems that along with changing the Prussian police manual nr. 40 by issuing Landjagerei officials two reserve magazines for their P08s, in Nov 1932 it was ordered that weapon number was to be marked on the magazine base instead of the manufacturer serial number reversing the procedure established in the 1932 manual 40a.
Perhaps the Landjagerei officials with the extra reserve magazine used one of the mag pouches issued in the early 20s to the Schupo.
Hmm, that raises a question in my mind. Artillery Luger rigs came with a double mag pouch. Does that mean there were 3 magazines with each artillery Luger, or was a soldier with a loaded artillery Luger walking around with a half empty magazine pouch?
When I was in the army, if I had a 2 mag pouch and then one in the gun, I had three mags, if I had the rounds.
If I was in war, and issued a 2 mag pouch or I could get one, I would have three mags.
3, even 4 numbered mags are found, it only makes sense they went with a rig. The 1920's in germany were pretty wild, even for police, so I would expect that given the choice, they would carry every round they could.
Hmm, the other side of the equation, regardless of whether or not we speak of marking them 1 - 7 or speak of marking them just with a + is until 1918 when speaking of LP08s we speak of wood bottoms. I have seen some wood bottoms so ragged no one will ever know what was stamped on them..
* I always thought the "+" was a military requirement for the spare mag & the "1 or 2 or 3" numerals (separate from the S/N) was a Police differentiation for the main/spare mags.
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