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giualfi
02-02-2011, 06:17 AM
I saw that someone complains about the lack of historical facts about the Glisenti Mod.1910, I know somethimgs and, if you like it, I want to tell them there.
The designer was Bethel Abiel Revelli, a former artillery officer. The technical drawings of the gun was sold to the Company of Brescia "Glisenti". In 1907 the Glisenti sold the project to the "Metallurgica Bresciana Tempini", that was the only manufacturer of the Mod. 1910. The "Metallurgica Bresciana" was equipped with excellent machinery purchased by Ludwig Loewe of Berlin and Mr. Tempini was in contact with Paul Mauser and Georg Luger. For this reason, perhaps,the first model of the automatic pistol Glisenti was manufactured in caliber 7,65 with a bottle-shaped cartridge case identical to the 7.65 Parabellum (30 Luger), but with less powder charge. This cartridge was insufficient to military uses and the pistol, in fact, was refused in 1909 to an official announcement for a semiautomatic pistol.
The caliber was changed in 9 mm. This last round was identical in shape to the cartridge 9 Parabellum caliber, but, again, with less powder charge.
This calibre was accepted by Military and the weapon was adopted in the Italian Army in 1910 as “Pistola Automatica Modello 1910”.
The total production of 1910 model was around 32,000 pieces. The entire supply was handed the Italian Army before World War I and the gun was the "baptism of fire" during the war of Libya, between the Kingdom of Italy and the Ottoman Empire, began September 28, 1911 and ending October 18, 1912.
The lots of guns were 2,000 units each, always preceded by a letter. The letters go from “A” to “R”, without “J” e “K”, missing letters in the alphabet Italian.
On the right side of the gun, above, is stamped the serial number of the weapon and, in a circle, C/Fab1910. “Fab” means “Fabbrica d’Armi di Brescia” (Weapons Factory – Brescia) and 1910 indicates the year of adoption of the weapon. Interestingly is the fact that on the first 5000 pistols, from A1 to C1000, circa, there is, in a circle “C/Fab 1909", rather “C/Fab1910”; this means an acquisition before the official adoption. This gun was very well manufactured. The magazine is a masterpiece of efficiency. If you seek its cartridges is very pleasant to shoot, very accurate and safe use.
The materials used are excellent (less than the grips, which is ebonite), the workmanship is impeccable as for the Lugers.
Pay attention, if you remove the firing pin, the sear is screwed with the thread counter-clockwise.
Cari Amici, cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano
P.S. the second to last photo shows a cartridge cal 9 Glisenti dismantled and the last shows two packages of cartridges, cal 9 Glisenti always, distributed to the troops during I WW.
Giuliano

Douglas_Jr
02-02-2011, 08:59 AM
Grazie per la lezione, professore!
Nice presentation for a underappreciated handgun.
Abraços,

Douglas

Olefogey
02-02-2011, 10:02 AM
I echo Douglas' sentiments!! A really nice presentation!!

Dave

Ron Wood
02-02-2011, 11:17 AM
Giuliano
Excellent presentation! I have owned two Glisentis in my life, and I regret not being able to keep them (I needed trading material for Lugers!:)). They are well made and interesting guns. However, I never could find one that still had the "tool" under the left grip.

giualfi
02-02-2011, 11:43 AM
Grazie per la lezione, professore!
Nice presentation for a underappreciated handgun.
Abraços,

Douglas

Dear Douglas, obrigado pelo elogio!
But I'm not a professor, I like only communicate what I know in the field that we are passionate. I hope to be helpful in describing this old lady.
Yes, the Model 1910 is a weapon not appreciated by us in Italy also. Everything comes from the fact that people want to use the more powerful 9 Parabellum rather than the cartrige Glisenti cal 9.
Dear Douglas, um abraço para você também !!
Giuliano

giualfi
02-02-2011, 11:59 AM
Dear Dave, thank you for your kind words.
Dear Ron, it is possible that I have a tool. If you want, I can send it you as a gift.
I'll tell you that it is a gift why another German member of Furum wrote to me to find out handbooks on Italian revolver Model 1874 and 1889. I answered that I knew nothing and that I could send a brochure on these revolvers, obviously as a gift.
The man replied me no more ..... I have been very bad about it !!
Guys, excuse me for having vented.
Cordialissimi saluti a tutti
Giuliano

giualfi
02-02-2011, 02:17 PM
A consideration for Douglas: the Modello 1910 has been little appreciated for two main reasons: the very high cost and the low power of the cartridge caliber 9 Glisenti.
The first reason has motif to be: the Modello 1910 was actually very expensive.
The second absolutely not. In fact, this gun was replaced during I I World War by the pistols Beretta, Mod. 15, caliber 7.65 mm Browning and 9 Glisenti. The first cartrige was much less potent than the 9 Glisenti, which was also chambered for the Beretta.
Other criticisms are completely unjustified.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

Dgiz
02-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Great information. I see you have the correct lanyard for the Glisenti M1910, it is only the second one I have ever seen. Are they common in Italy? I have a second Gllisenti M1910 and a Brixia that need one. The holsters are also uncommon. Thank you for sharing this information, these are very interesting and well made pistols.
Dean

giualfi
02-02-2011, 03:18 PM
Dear Dean, the lanyard is not common in Italy, indeed, it is rare. I have only this. It is in silk. In past years, holsters were relatively common, but now absolutely no.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

artmccann
02-02-2011, 09:11 PM
Giuliano,
Great pictures and presentation. Thank you for sharing, it is important when collecting firearms or anything. The forum gives us that opportunity. Again thanks and God bless. art.
Giuliano,
I just remembered what I was going to ask. Is the Glisenti and Brixia (my spelling may be wrong) magazines interchangeable? art

mouser
02-02-2011, 11:35 PM
Giuliano:
Great information about M1910 Glisenti pistols!
Especially helpful are production numbers, which seem to be very low.
I always thought that these came in 10000 /letter blocks.
Now, that I know that they were made in 2000/letter blocks, they seem to be much rarer pistols then I had anticipated.
By the way, where can one find a grip for one of these?
(my left grip is cracked and I need a new one)
Thanks!
Val

Ron Wood
02-02-2011, 11:37 PM
Giuliano,
Thank you for your most generous offer, but I no longer have a Glisenti to go with the tool. Your kindness is most appreciated.
Ron

giualfi
02-03-2011, 01:54 AM
Dear Art, the magazines are not interchangeable. The magazine holder on the Mod 1910 is a button, in the Brixia is a leaf spring attached on the back of the magazine.

Dear Val, this gun is always considered a "Cinderella", but it is not. Unfortunately I can not help you with the grip.

Dear Ron, I think that on the Forum we are all Friends !
Cordialissimi saluti a tutti
Giuliano

Dave Baird
02-03-2011, 09:47 AM
WOW, Giuliano!! You have a Glisenti 1910 rig too!! You are the 'go to guy' for Italian handguns, my friend!!!!!

Your information is only surpassed by your kindness!

Cordialissimi saluti a tutti,
Dave

giualfi
02-03-2011, 11:24 AM
Dear Dave, I am very pleased to hear you!!
Many thanks for your kind words.
Saluti cordialissimi a tutti in Famiglia
Giuliano

Jason L
02-03-2011, 02:01 PM
Hi Giuliano,
My friend Charles has a Glisenti for sale. It is in very good condition, I have seen it in person. I passed it over, but you have sparked my interest...I might have to give it a second look ;)
http://usgunexchange.com/products.cfm?tbl=21&sct=36&ID=1032
Cordialissimi saluti,
Jason

giualfi
02-03-2011, 03:01 PM
Dear Jason, I hope you bring the Glisenti. I saw the pistol. It seems to me in very good conditions. The left grip is intact and that is rare on a Glisenti.
I think that Lugers, P.38 and other pistols are .... very common and widespread. If you search one of this, you find it. The Glisenti in a very good conditions as is this, is difficult to find.
Dear Jason, let me know.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

klaus 3338
02-04-2011, 02:23 AM
Giuliano, that is an interesting thread- thank you very much!
Regards Klaus

giualfi
02-04-2011, 07:40 AM
Dear Klaus, I thank you for the appreciation, however, I must thank you: I enjoy myself.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

eddie_C96
02-14-2011, 05:44 PM
Hi Giuliano and thanks for this great information.
I recently got a pretty nice Glisenti N1425, and was wondering:
1) how do you recognise the original bakelite grips - mine seem to be plastic replacements, though I am not 100% sure;
2) If there is some possibility to find either an original takedown tool or a reproduction, mine being missing.
rgds,
Andrei

giualfi
02-14-2011, 10:56 PM
Dear Andrei, if you send a photo of your grips I can tell you if they can be original.The original grips are not in bachelite but in ebonite. Maybe I have a tool. If I find him, I warn you.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

45Auto
02-15-2011, 02:02 PM
Giuliano,

Thank you for the presentation, I also enjoyed reading it. I have a Glisenti Model 1910 which I am restoring. The quality is like a fine watch, but I have some broken parts to deal with, such as the safety. If you don't mind, I have a few questions:

The special tool: Unless you have another extra tool, I was wondering if you could provide measurements of an original so that I can make one. Thickness of metal, length, how wide the head and shank are, etc...

The grips: I have seen pictures of the M1910 pistol with wood grips. Were the wooden grips original issue or a late Italian military replacement?

Grazie!

Greg

jfxcushman
02-15-2011, 02:29 PM
Giulano,
I echo Dave's comments. A wonderful and intersting post mon ami!
Jerry

giualfi
02-15-2011, 02:51 PM
Dear Jerry, thank you !
Saluti cordialissimi, Amico mio
Giuliano

giualfi
02-15-2011, 03:20 PM
The special tool: Unless you have another extra tool, I was wondering if you could provide measurements of an original so that I can make one. Thickness of metal, length, how wide the head and shank are, etc...
The grips: I have seen pictures of the M1910 pistol with wood grips. Were the wooden grips original issue or a late Italian military replacement?
Grazie! Greg

Dear Greg, if you wait, I can get you the new tool. Next Monday a friend of mine lets me know something. If I not found, I will send to you the dimensional drawings
The safety is easy to repair. If you see in the ring, there should be a small relief. This relief is one that blocks the firing pin (spring guide). The relief is is inserted in the ring and you can slip off the remind. Looks good inside the ring!!!
The wood grips are a miltary replacement. In fact, the original ones, especially the left, were very fragile, as was done in ebonite.
Cordiali saluti
Giuliano

eddie_C96
02-15-2011, 05:26 PM
Dear Andrei, if you send a photo of your grips I can tell you if they can be original.The original grips are not in bachelite but in ebonite. Maybe I have a tool. If I find him, I warn you.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

Thank you Giuliano,

Here are the pictures of the grips:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5449363582/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5448755909/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5448756159/

giualfi
02-16-2011, 01:34 AM
Dear Andrei, the grips seems to me original. They should have branded the s.n. on the inside. Now (7.30 p.m.) I'm going to work. This evening I unmount my "Model 1910" and see my grips and I do you know for sure.
Saluti cordialissimi
Giuliano

giualfi
02-16-2011, 01:50 PM
Dear Andrei, having seen my grip, certainly original, I must correct my rating:
your grips are a reproduction. This morning, I was suspicious because of the lack of the s.n. and imperfect fusion. This evening I have dismantelled mine and my suspicions were confirmed.
Dear Andrei, I send the photos of my left grip.
Cordialissimi saluti
Giuliano

eddie_C96
02-16-2011, 04:37 PM
Thank you very much Giuliano, this confirms my suspicions

giualfi
02-16-2011, 04:44 PM
Thank you very much Giuliano, this confirms my suspicions


Your grips, at least with regard to the visible part, are very well done !
Always cordiali saluti
Giuliano

alpino
03-05-2011, 09:31 PM
Guialfi,
mille grazie for the excellent photographs and information! The pistol is a pleasure to shoot. I make my own 9mm Glisenti ammunition for my M1910 and my Beretta M1915. Every M1910 I have ever seen is in excellent shape... every Beretta M1915 9mm looks as if they lived in the trenches! that is why they hold a place in my heart... like my Finnish Luger.

The tool... what is the square hole in it for? I will put myself to making one, someday soon.

ciao

giualfi
03-06-2011, 08:31 AM
Caro Alpino, in fact, shoot the Glisenti loaded with ammunition for it is a pleasure. At the shot, the recoil is sweet and the pistol is very accurate.
There is, however, a great deal of difference between the Model 1910 and the Beretta Model 1915. The first (the Glisenti) is very original for the project, the second is an object built quickly (or hastily), copying here and there. Even shot the Beretta is unpleasant, for the angle of the handle and for the lack of a system to delay opening. The pistols manufactured by Beretta, as I think, are only well made but you can not see the genius of the designer!
I send you the photo of the tool measures. The thickness of the tool is 1 mm, the lenght 5,6 cm. and it is nickel plated. If you have problems, let me know
Cordiali saluti, Alpino
Giuliano

Berettamen
03-13-2011, 02:53 PM
alpino, I also have a Beretta 1915 and would like to shoot it. I slugged the bore and it seems the bore is about .361 or so. What bullets do you use?
Dan