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    "mit Pistolen 08" That's a strange looking P.08

    "mit Pistolen 08"

    That's a strange looking P.08
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    The finish on that 02 is exquisite; no mill marks...

    The finish on that 02 is exquisite; no mill marks anywhere. Made to the highest quality standards and simply beautiful.
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    That is, indeed, a beauty and you were very...

    That is, indeed, a beauty and you were very fortunate to find it.

    A friend of mine, nearly 30 years ago, found one in rather sad condition and had it professionally restored. It was returned to...
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    Just my opinion but if you sell it, you're likely...

    Just my opinion but if you sell it, you're likely to have regrets later. That pistol has a LOT of history and while not an all matching collectible, it's worth keeping.
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    From what I can see, it began life as a 1917 DWM...

    From what I can see, it began life as a 1917 DWM LP-08. It was apparently reworked by the Weimar era police who replaced the barrel and rear toggle link. Note the C/N commercial proofs on the right...
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    The serial number on the left side of the...

    The serial number on the left side of the receiver is 7983. The only number that isn't clear is the "8" but the last digit is definitely "3". The gun is made from at least two different pistols.
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    You have a "mixmaster"; a Luger made up of...

    You have a "mixmaster"; a Luger made up of several different guns as indicated by the differing serial numbers.The frame is Mauser and the receiver is also Mauser made in 1941 as evidenced by the...
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    OK. Thanks for clarifying that. It is interesting...

    OK. Thanks for clarifying that. It is interesting that the LP-08 pistols were unit marked at a higher percentage than the short barrel models.
  9. Thread: Artillery Luger

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    Ed, if you look carefully, you'll see that the...

    Ed, if you look carefully, you'll see that the receiver rails extend ever so slightly past the frame, suggesting that the frame serial number has been scrubbed.
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    As I said, I'm not trying to be argumentative and...

    As I said, I'm not trying to be argumentative and I certainly admire and value the research done by Jeff Noll. Jeff has been kind enough to answer a question or two for me and I greatly appreciate...
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    Yes, that was what I suggested in post # 7; a...

    Yes, that was what I suggested in post # 7; a smaller percentage applied to a much greater number equals more.
  12. Thread: Artillery Luger

    by Doubs
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    Welcome to the forum. Your Artillery or LP-08...

    Welcome to the forum. Your Artillery or LP-08 Luger should make a fine shooter. They are generally very accurate. The scrubbing of the serial numbers and date takes it out of the collector arena.
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    Thank you for the reference. I'm not sure I'm...

    Thank you for the reference. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the percentages that Jeff gives. Considering the many thousands of LP-08 pistols made each year, the sample numbers are quite small.
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    Sorry. I missed a zero WRT the number of Erfurt...

    Sorry. I missed a zero WRT the number of Erfurt LP-08s made. It's estimated that 21,000 were manufactured.

    I have two Erfurt LP-08 pistols and both are unit marked to the same regiment.
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    Is there a reference for that claim? I would...

    Is there a reference for that claim? I would think that the 1914 Erfurts would have more unit markings than 1917 LP-08s. Or is it simply a matter of a greater number of LP-08 pistols were made in...
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    Please post detailed pictures of the entire...

    Please post detailed pictures of the entire pistol showing markings, numbers etc.

    It is unusual for a 1917 Luger to be unit marked. They exist but very few were.

    If the 109th ceased to exist...
  17. Thread: new barrel

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    I had a C-96 rebored by Redman. At the time he...

    I had a C-96 rebored by Redman. At the time he advised that he would no longer install a spacer in the chamber to properly headspace a 9mm cartridge. I asked why and he said that the spacers came...
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    It is extremely rare for a 1918 Luger to have...

    It is extremely rare for a 1918 Luger to have been marked by the unit to which it was issued. The mark on your Luger doesn't follow military directives either.

    My best guess is a post war Weimar...
  19. Thread: Another 1920 DWM

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    BogeyB is correct; the 1920 is a date and the...

    BogeyB is correct; the 1920 is a date and the suffix letter is a "b".

    Most 1920 property stamps were done by hand by a unit armorer and not as even or neat as the date stamps.
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    Erfurt was a royal arsenal that only made arms...

    Erfurt was a royal arsenal that only made arms for the military. As far as I know, Erfurt didn't offer Lugers on the commercial market and I've never seen an Erfurt with less than three...
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    A beautiful example of an early Erfurt. The...

    A beautiful example of an early Erfurt. The finish is better than later wartime Erfurts and it has been modified with a hold open. It appears to be 100% correct in all respects; a remarkable find...
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    In picture #4, it looks to me that the receiver...

    In picture #4, it looks to me that the receiver may be slightly proud of the frame. To the right side of the barrel flange shows what may be the receiver rail extending beyond the frame, giving the...
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    It's a poorly stamped 8,84 and represents the...

    It's a poorly stamped 8,84 and represents the bore diameter in MM and is .348". Much more common is 8,82 and 8,83 in my experience.
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    The number 7 has no meaning that I know of. ...

    The number 7 has no meaning that I know of.

    The axle pin has been numbered which is typical for a military pistol converted to police use. The sear bar has been relieved (shortened) as per a 1916...
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    The frame looks to be original finish. Can you...

    The frame looks to be original finish. Can you post pictures of the top in natural light?
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    The small pin Dwight talks about is clearly seen...

    The small pin Dwight talks about is clearly seen in the picture below. It's in the white as it should be.

    https://i.imgur.com/5x0yGO6.jpg
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    WRT what HerrKaiser said, the rust blue finish...

    WRT what HerrKaiser said, the rust blue finish was applied only to the exterior of the frame and slide. The interior will remain in the white as in the picture below. If there is bluing in the...
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    IMO that's a good decision. There are plenty of...

    IMO that's a good decision. There are plenty of Lugers out there and you'll find a better one soon enough.
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    I have to side with holster collector. Too much...

    I have to side with holster collector. Too much as been ground away IMO and the Luger has clearly been refinished. If the bore is excellent and it functions OK, I'd think $800 is a more realistic...
  30. Thread: Manufacture Date

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    I think Dwight has pretty well nailed it as...

    I think Dwight has pretty well nailed it as closely as it can be.
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    I have a Russian military issue Makarov that came...

    I have a Russian military issue Makarov that came back from Desert Storm. It came from a burned out Iraqi truck and the springs have lost their temper and, I suspect, so has the frame and slide. The...
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    [QUOTE=lugerholsterrepair;926329] LOL. That's...

    LOL. That's good advice.
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    Your Luger's major parts are from at least three...

    Your Luger's major parts are from at least three different Lugers according to the serial numbers. The frame is clearly Erfurt and thus of WW1 vintage. The barrel and receiver are 1937 Mauser while...
  34. Thread: 1945 Star A Rig

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    That's a really nice Star model A with original...

    That's a really nice Star model A with original finish. The 9mm Largo is a good cartridge too.

    My Star A, serial number A-534821, is newer than yours but refinished in a gray parkerizing. It was...
  35. Thread: ID Help Please

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    The chamber date "41" indicates that it was made...

    The chamber date "41" indicates that it was made in 1941 while the "42" on the middle toggle was the code for Mauser. The lack of serial numbers and inspection/proof marks suggests that it's been...
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