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    Jerry, you are much too modest!

    Jerry, you are much too modest!
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    At least!

    At least!
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    Jerry could do it! ;)

    Jerry could do it! ;)
  4. This is a unique marking. I agree with Dow that...

    This is a unique marking. I agree with Dow that it is probably from Berlin, likely a Sipo marking from before they were merged into the Schupo in 1920. However I don't recall ever seeing a cursive...
  5. The V. may have represented Glogau but that's...

    The V. may have represented Glogau but that's highly speculative. Also, I'm not convinced the earlier location designation was a V. I've gotten too old to search my files but it seems that most...
  6. These are very rare, interesting and confusing...

    These are very rare, interesting and confusing markings. I can think of several alternative interpretations/sequences of the first two markings but none that are less speculative than what you've...
  7. Thread: 1920 dwm

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    Probably originally issued to the Schupo of Kiel...

    Probably originally issued to the Schupo of Kiel in the Schleswig administrative district, received the unit maring in about 1922 and later received sear and mag safeties in about 1934 (HWIS, p. 138).
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    See also this thread:...

    See also this thread: https://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?33268-1920-dated-DWM-P08s-with-%93n%94-suffixes-HELP!
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    In my research, I have noted that several police...

    In my research, I have noted that several police units added a prefix numeral to the manufacturer's serial number in several instances, presumably to distinguish between pistols with the same 4-digit...
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    See Ch. 13 of HWIS. On p. 189 it is noted that a...

    See Ch. 13 of HWIS. On p. 189 it is noted that a 1929 decree of the Prussian Interior Ministry decreed that Landjägerei personnel were to be issued both P08s and 7.65mm pistols since these men served...
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    I agree.

    I agree.
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    See HWIS pp. 275-282 for a fairly extensive...

    See HWIS pp. 275-282 for a fairly extensive discussion of these Bremen Lugers.
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    I can't prove it to be true for every police unit...

    I can't prove it to be true for every police unit but my research suggests that separate inventory number series were assigned for each type/model of pistol of the Landjägerei (WIS, pp. 191,-2)....
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    This is probably the case.

    This is probably the case.
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    Several police departments added a prefix digit...

    Several police departments added a prefix digit to the serial number to distinguish between weapons with the same 4-digit sn.
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    The grips strap marking is S.Al.III. for one of...

    The grips strap marking is S.Al.III. for one of the three Schupo garrisons in the Prussian administrative district of Allenstein, probably either the Osterode or Lyck garrison. It is a very rare...
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    Quite a few S.Hn. Lugers never got an inventory...

    Quite a few S.Hn. Lugers never got an inventory number. Don't know why.
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    t's quite possible that it was originally issued...

    t's quite possible that it was originally issued to a Sicherheitspolizei unit and marked by them according to instructions (not found) that preceded the 1922 instructions. These units were merged...
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    The markings for the Schupo of Hannover are some...

    The markings for the Schupo of Hannover are some of the more confusing (HWIS, Chap. 10). They deviate in several ways from the standards set in 1922. However, the marking is actually S.Hn.II. The II...
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    Without reviewing the data carefully, it appears...

    Without reviewing the data carefully, it appears that all of these guns have E/WaA66 and/or E/H acceptance stamps along with other characteristics that are associated with the "Rif" contract although...
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    Your interpretation of the grip strap mark is...

    Your interpretation of the grip strap mark is probably correct. Stolberg is near Aachen on the western border of Germany. It probably received P08s in 1935-36 when the Gemeindepolzei in Germany were...
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    No is a commonly used abbreviation for "Nummer"...

    No is a commonly used abbreviation for "Nummer" in property markings with the o elevated and one or two underlines.
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    "i", aye!

    "i", aye!
  24. Thanks very much for this information. The...

    Thanks very much for this information. The inventory number increases my skepticism of these being Detmold pistols. Would you be willing to share the serial number of your pistol and perhaps a few...
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    All of the above plus a certain amount of mental...

    All of the above plus a certain amount of mental instability! ;)
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    I was fortunate enough to meet Joop in Chatanooga...

    I was fortunate enough to meet Joop in Chatanooga several years ago and thoroughly enjoyed his company. He was also extremely helpful during the time we were trying to understand the "sneak" Lugers....
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    hubb, your pistol is what is known as "blank...

    hubb, your pistol is what is known as "blank toggle" 29 DWM, probably manufactured in 1927-28 as part of a clandestine contract for the rebels of the Riff Tribe in Morocco. It was never delivered to...
  28. I have recorded a number of additional RBDMg...

    I have recorded a number of additional RBDMg markings since I wrote HWIS, most of them on .30 Lugers and all of them stamped on front grips straps. However, I would not jump to the conclusion that...
  29. Good snag, Bruno!

    Good snag, Bruno!
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    See...

    See https://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?14009-SIMSON-P08-REPLACEMENT-BARRELS. I think it is probable that the 4 on the barrel indicates its manufacture in 1924 by Simson for sale to the police...
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    You have a P08 produced in 1920 by DWM with ArA4...

    You have a P08 produced in 1920 by DWM with ArA4 acceptance stamps and an "n" serial number suffix. No satisfactory explanation for this anomalous series has been offered. Conventional wisdom has...
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    I don't know if you can conclude this pistol was...

    I don't know if you can conclude this pistol was used in Nazi-era atrocities. The Orpo of this Weimar-era marking was different from that of the Nazi era. However, Hamburg did supply a number of...
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    The grip strap marking is that of the...

    The grip strap marking is that of the Ordnungspolizei of Hamburg, Wachbereitschaft 15, P08 69. Apparently, an earlier marking was overstamped when the number of such units was increased from 14 to...
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    Wish I still had this one for you:...

    Wish I still had this one for you: https://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?36960-SOLD-1914-DWM-Commercial-Army-P08-*PRICE-REDUCED**
  35. I hereby award to Don Voight the title of "German...

    I hereby award to Don Voight the title of "German Police Wonk, First Class, with Schiwy cluster." Great pistol and wonderful writeup. I can fade into retirement now!
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