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    thanks in advance for any help- I am able to pick this from a long standing collector and would like opinions as to being original or "enhanced" and possible value- I had it in hand yesterday and these were the pics I took. it is a good solid piece- all numbers matching and in good condition
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    Tinley, long standing collector? Offer the man a seat will you? Prey tell, what did this collector fellow value it at? It certainly has a couple of abnormalities..
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    I will probably "oversimplify" but basically there are two types of Death's Head lugers; obvious fakes and likely fakes. JMHO.
    That said I do have one, but paid only a little more than the "non DH" price for it as a novelty.
    My example is much like yours, with post WWI Suhl area commercial proofing - the horizontal Crown/N; one difference is that your barrel has been replaced.

    Experienced and long time collectors will argue and theorize about these lugers and their "provenance", I have and will also; but deciding if any individual specimen is legit(if indeed any are) is near impossible, again JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03man View Post
    I will probably "oversimplify" but basically there are two types of Death's Head lugers; obvious fakes and likely fakes. JMHO.
    That said I do have one, but paid only a little more than the "non DH" price for it as a novelty.
    My example is much like yours, with post WWI Suhl area commercial proofing - the horizontal Crown/N; one difference is that your barrel has been replaced.

    Experienced and long time collectors will argue and theorize about these lugers and their "provenance", I have and will also; but deciding if any individual specimen is legit(if indeed any are) is near impossible, again JMHO.

    Welcome to the board; you picked the deep end for your first post!

    thanks, with the numbers that appear to be matching, what indicates the barrel being replaced?

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    He has passed away and I am friends with his widow- he had a large collection. I recently picked a 1906 American Eagle in 9mm from there and she is asking $3500

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    Quote Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair View Post
    Tinley, long standing collector? Offer the man a seat will you? Prey tell, what did this collector fellow value it at? It certainly has a couple of abnormalities..
    He has passed away and I am friends with his widow- he had a large collection. I recently picked a 1906 American Eagle in 9mm from there- she is asking $3500

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03man View Post
    I will probably "oversimplify" but basically there are two types of Death's Head lugers; obvious fakes and likely fakes. JMHO.
    That said I do have one, but paid only a little more than the "non DH" price for it as a novelty.
    My example is much like yours, with post WWI Suhl area commercial proofing - the horizontal Crown/N; one difference is that your barrel has been replaced.

    Experienced and long time collectors will argue and theorize about these lugers and their "provenance", I have and will also; but deciding if any individual specimen is legit(if indeed any are) is near impossible, again JMHO.

    Welcome to the board; you picked the deep end for your first post!

    thanks, I think I get it- no numbers on the barrel to prove it is original to the weapon, is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinley View Post
    thanks, with the numbers that appear to be matching, what indicates the barrel being replaced?
    The barrel lacks a serial number, it is marked 8,8 m/m but standard marking would be 8,82 without the m/m, and as has been mentioned it bears commercial proofing.
    Like Don, I also own a DH Luger which I am fairly confident is authentic. But I will never be able to prove it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Wood View Post
    The barrel lacks a serial number, it is marked 8,8 m/m but standard marking would be 8,82 without the m/m, and as has been mentioned it bears commercial proofing.
    Like Don, I also own a DH Luger which I am fairly confident is authentic. But I will never be able to prove it
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    thanks for the info!

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    Some barrels on commercial Lugers are not marked with serial numbers - so that doesn't prove it was re-barreled. What does is the combination of the military acceptance marks and proof on the receiver PLUS the crown/N commercial nitro proof on the receiver and barrel.

    The firearm would have left the factory with the military acceptance marks, but the crown/N was added later when the firearm was re barreled and re-proofed.

    When they said that they would pay a small increment over it's normal value for the novelty of unique markings, they were talking about perhaps $50, not paying 3x what the firearm is actually worth - which is what you're seller is offering it to you at.

    It's a nice DWM that was re barreled in Europe at some time after it left the factory (making it non-matching) and has had the nebulous "death's head" mark added at some point. I might buy it as a shooter, and novelty like Don mentioned, but that's just me... And I would not pay $1100 for it.
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    I agree with Mark on the pricing, $3500 is nutz!
    Maybe $1100 as an "interesting" shooter, but that is all it is. JMHO.
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