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    1940 42 sn 248k, FRAME BUMP , 655 WAFFENAMT, PLASTIC GRIPS, ALUMINUM BOTTOM, STEEL MILLED MAG,FXO #37 P.08, CROSS PIN IN DIMPLE.
    42 BYF, sn 533h, WAFFENAMT 135, FXO MILLED PLASTIC BOTTOM MAG CODE #37, WOOD GRIPS. FOUND ON THE PRINZ EUGEN ALONG WITH THE AFT BATTLE FLAG
    41 byf sn 9274z, SE655 SE655 LTP bakelite grips and magazine, BNP proofed; 8-83, SE655 and LTP, on barrel
    1940/42 sn 2046n, type 1 black grips, matching numbered mag, 655 proof.
    42 byf sn 2960 d, has E/135, E/135, LTP. P08 on frame. E/135 walnut grips,
    1940 42, SN 8272f. Type 1, Brown Plastic Grips.1940 42, sn 4324g, brown plastic grips, one matching magazine. Change?
    1940/42 sn 409b 655 655 LTP,matched type two army mag 409 b + E/655
    41 byf sn.1154n Black grips E665 (sn reported as a p)
    42 byf sn,6768n Black grips135 (sn reported as a p)
    41 byf sn 1145y, E655, E655, spread E, marked p08 with a mag 2904n with a + and E63
    41 byf sn 5136o E/655 E/655, P08, wood grips e/655, matching pistol, mismatched mag.
    41 42 sn 8856n, P08, SE655, SE655, unnumbered wood grips & British Nitro Proofs.
    41 byf sn 4273r, P08, SE655, SE655, black bakelite grips & two Type 4 Army mags.
    41 byf 5997o E/655 E/655 P.08 wood grips 97 E/655, bring back from WW2
    41/42 sn 2406o.E/655 E/655 wood grips P 08 on frame
    41 BYF sn 828a, SE135, SE135, LTP, black plastic grips
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    1940/42 sn 409b 655 655 LTP,matched type two army mag 409 b + E/655
    1940 42, sn 6894f , Big E/655 little E/655 LTP. Barrel 8.81 and LTP on the right side of the barrel
    Mismatched wood grips. Matched 122 E/37 magazine.
    1940 42, SN 8272f. Type 1, Brown Plastic Grips.
    1940 42, sn 4324g, brown plastic grips, one matching magazine. Change?
    1940 42 sn 248k, Frame Bump , 655 Waffenamt, Plastic grips, Aluminum Bottom, Steel Milled Mag, FXO #37 P.08, Cross pin in dimple.
    1940/42 sn 2046n, type 1 black grips, matching numbered mag, 655 proof.
    41 byf sn 9274z, SE655 SE655 LTP bakelite grips and magazine, BNP proofed; 8-83, SE655 and LTP, on barrel
    41 byf sn.1154n Black grips E665 (sn reported as a p)
    41 42 sn 8856n, P08, SE655, SE655, unnumbered wood grips & British Nitro Proofs.
    41/42 sn 2406o.E/655 E/655 wood grips P 08 on frame
    41 byf sn 5136o E/655 E/655, P08, wood grips e/655, matching pistol, mismatched mag.
    41 byf sn 4273r, P08, SE655, SE655, black bakelite grips & two Type 4 Army mags.
    41 byf 5997o E/655 E/655 P.08 wood grips 97 E/655, bring back from WW2
    41 BYF sn 828a, SE135, SE135, LTP, black plastic grips
    41 byf sn 1145y, E655, E655, spread E, marked p08 with a mag 2904n with a + and E63
    42 byf sn 2960d, has E/135, E/135, LTP. P08 on frame. E/135 walnut grips,
    42 BYF, sn 533h, waffenamt 135, fxo milled plastic bottom mag code #37, wood grips. found on the Prinz Eugen along with the aft battle flag
    42 byf sn,6768n Black grips135 (sn reported as a p)
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    1937 S/42 MAUSER FINISH AND ACCEPTANCE STAMP VARIATIONS
    Do not post on this thread until this note removed. Thanks Jan

    1937/1938 serial numbers and details in link below:
    https://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...8-Data-Request

    Acceptance Stamps, Finish, And Serial Range Suffixes 1937 S/42
    p Straw, DE63………… u blue, DE63………… z blue, DE63 to SE63, Start SE83
    q Straw, DE63………… v blue, DE63………….ns blue SE63
    r Straw, DE63………… w blue, DE63………… a blue SE63
    s Straw, DE63………… x blue, DE63…………. b blue 1937 to 4068b then 1938
    t Straw blue, DE63… y blue, start of change to SE63

    During 1937 a number of changes were made in Mauser Lugers manufactured for the German Army.
    These are changes in finish (straw small parts to blued)*, a change in the shape of the acceptance stamp from droop wing eagle to stick wing eagle**, areas previously left in the white (inside of frame, forks and crown***) on strawed Lugers was now left blued on Lugers with blued small parts. In addition, the back of the frame at its top was cut down forming what collectors call a hump.
    Detailed photographs shown below, illustrate these changes.
    *Note: refinishing of the original strawed parts to blued or strawing original blued parts on a 1937 dated Luger can result in incorrect reporting of the original 1937 dated Lugers finish. Some of the out of place blued or strawed parts Lugers reported in this table may be the result of this. Caution should be used in using this data.
    **These acceptance stamps are small and sometimes it almost takes a microscope to make correct identifications. They are not the type of variation that can be determined from across a gun show isle. Perhaps these should be termed the microscope variations. In any case collectors may consider these tiny changes on 1937 dated Lugers less important than for example the change from straw small parts to blued small parts.
    ***Extensive shooting may diminish a blued crown.

    1937 S/42 WITH STRAW SMALL PARTS AND DE63 DE63 ACCEPTANCE STAMPS
    SUMMARY: 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps, strawed small parts; DE63 left barrel, barrel gauge 8,81; grips unmarked, and 87 inside of side plate. Magazine S/42 / DE63. No frame hump.
    Figure 1. Left slant view, 1937 S/42, serial number (sn) 8766p. The small parts (trigger, take down lever, safety lever, magazine release, and ejector) are strawed. Strawed to blued small parts is an easy to observe to make. The strawed variation is in the approximate serial range of 7050p to 3142t . The left barrel acceptance stamp is DE63 (whiteing missed and the DE63 doesn’t show in this photo).
    Figure 2. Right side, 1937 S/42, sn 8766p. It lacks the Mauser hump, as do almost all 1937 S/42 Lugers with strawed small parts.
    Figure 3. Serial number (sn) on front of frame and bottom of barrel. The sn letter suffix “p”is only shown under the sn on the front of the frame. The barrel gauge (8,81) is located rearward of the serial number on the bottom of the barrel.
    Figure 4. Details right side of receiver, 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, showing the DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps and Mid-test proof. (Note: DE = droop wing eagle.) All strawed 1937 S/42 lugers bear DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps.
    Figure 5. Inside grips 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, Luger. These lack a serial number.
    Figure 6. 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, Luger. The inner side plate number (87) is the same as the first two digits of the Lugers serial number.
    Figure 7. 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, Luger, top of frame. Most of the inside frame of almost all strawed 1937 Lugers is in the white.
    Figure 8. 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, Luger. The barrel crown is in the white.
    Figure 9. 1937 S/42, sn 8766p, Luger. Its proper replacement magazine has a blued tube and its bottom is marked S/42 / DE63.

    1937 S/42 ALL BLUED WITH DE63 DE63 ACCEPTANCE STAMPS VARIATION
    SUMMARY: 1937 S/42, sn 2591v, DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps; blued; DE63 left barrel, barrel gauge 8,82; grips 91, and 25 inside of side plate. Matching magazine 2591/v/SE63; frame hump.
    Figure 1. Left slant view, 1937 S/42, serial number (sn) 2591v. The small parts are blued. The left barrel acceptance stamp is DE63.
    Figure 2. Right side, 1937 S/42, sn 2591v. It has the Mauser hump.
    Figure 3. Serial number (sn) 2591v on front of frame and bottom of barrel. The sn letter suffix “v” is shown under the sn on the front of the frame. The barrel gauge (8,82) is located rearward of the serial number on the bottom of the barrel.
    Figure 4. Right side of receiver, 1937 S/42, sn 2591v , showing the DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps and Mid-test proof. (Note: DE = droop wing eagle.) This is the blued variation with the DE63 DE63 acceptance stamps. This blued DE63 DE63 variation is in the approximate serial range of 3142t to 4147y.
    Figure 5. Bottom of matched blued 1937 S/42, sn 2591v magazine. It is marked 2591/v/SE63.
    Figure 6. Inside grips 1937 S/42, sn 2591v Luger. These are stamped with the last two digits of the Lugers serial number.
    Figure 7. 1937 S/42, sn 2591v Luger. The inner side plate number (29) is the same as the first two digits of the Lugers serial number.
    Figure 8. 1937 S/42, sn 2591v Luger. The barrel crown is blued.
    Figure 9. 1937 S/42, sn 2591v Luger, top of frame. This variation is blued on top of and inside of the frame.

    1937 S/42 ALL BLUED WITH SE63 DE63 ACCEPTANCE STAMPS VARIATION
    SUMMARY: 1937 S/42, sn 2926z, SE63 DE63 acceptance stamps, blued; SE63 left barrel, barrel gauge 8,84; grips 26; 29 inside of side plate. . Magazine S/42 / SE63; frame hump.
    Figure 1. Left slant view, 1937 S/42, serial number (sn) 2926z. The small parts are blued. The left barrel acceptance stamp is SE63.
    Figure 2. Right side, 1937 S/42, sn 2926z. It has the Mauser hump.
    Figure 3. Serial number (sn) 2926z on front of frame and bottom of barrel. The sn letter suffix “z” is shown under the sn on the front of the frame. The barrel gauge (8,84) is located rearward of the serial number on the bottom of the barrel.
    Figure 4. Right side of receiver, 1937 S/42, sn 2926z , showing the SE63 DE63 acceptance stamps and Mid-test proof. (Note: DE = droop wing eagle.) This is the blued variation with the SE63 DE63 acceptance stamps. This blued SE DE variation is in the approximate serial range of 4147y to 9551z.
    Figure 5. 1937 S/42, sn 2926z Luger. The inner side plate number (29) is the same as the first two digits of the Lugers serial number.
    Figure 6. 1937 S/42, sn 2926z, Luger. Its proper replacement magazine has a blued tube and its bottom is marked S/42 / SE63.
    Figure 7. Inside grips 1937 S/42, sn 2926z Luger. These are stamped with the last two digits of the Lugers serial number.

    1937 S/42 ALL BLUED WITH SE63 SE63 (RARLEY SE83) ACCEPTANCE STAMPS VARIATION
    SUMMARY: 1937 S/42, sn 9729z, SE63 SE83 acceptance stamps, blued; SE63 left barrel, barrel gauge 8,82; grips 29; 97 inside of side plate; frame hump.
    Figure 1. Left slant view, 1937 S/42, serial number 9729z. The small parts are blued. The left barrel acceptance stamp is SE63.
    Figure 2. Right side, 1937 S/42, sn 9729z. It has the Mauser hump.
    Figure 3. Serial number 9729z on front of frame and bottom of barrel. The sn letter suffix “z” is shown under the sn on the front of the frame. The barrel gauge (8,82) is located rearward of the serial number on the bottom of the barrel.
    Figure 4. Right side of receiver, 1937 S/42, sn 9729z , showing the SE63 SE83 acceptance stamps and Mid-test proof. This is the blued variation with double SE acceptance stamps. This is the lowest serial number SE83 reported. The blued SE SE variation is in the approximate serial range of 9729z to 4068b.
    Figure 5. 1937 S/42, sn 9729z Luger. The inner side plate number (97) is the same as the first two digits of the Lugers serial number
    Figure 6. Inside grips 1937 S/42, sn 9729z Luger. These are stamped with the last two digits of the Lugers serial number.
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