The purpose of this study is to try and learn more about the elusive KĂĽ pistol. Hopefully it will also be a place where members can report KĂĽ pistols that had not been previously reported.
Using Table 32.1 on page 560 of THE MAUSER PARABELLUM 1930-1946 as a guide one would expect certain standard properties and markings.
---- E/LA acceptance on R/H receiver and L/H of breechblock and barrel
---- The unnumbered parts normally are the hold open, inside of sideplate, rear toggle pin (receiver axle) and the end of the rear toggle link.
What I am searching for are variations from the "normal" if there is such a thing on Ku pistols.
DATA REQUESTED:
1- Serial number...please note if large numbers. Normal size is same as Ku stamp. See examples below for normal or large numbers
2- Chamber date and toggle markings
3- All barrel markings to include gauge
4- Grip information... wood or black plastic and any numbering. See examples below of normal and small numbers.
5- Magazine information...
6- Variations
SN------ CODE -----BARREL ----GRIPS ----MAG ----VARIATIONS
882Ku, BYF 41 B-90 barrrel
1033KĂĽ, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood 1033, unmarked black fxo mag
1177KĂĽ, BYF 41, Black grips, 2 matching alum bottom mags
1242 Ku, BYF 41....wood grips with matching SN
1261KĂĽ, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood with small 1261 & E/655 grips, blank S/42 SE63 mag
1317KĂĽ, BYF 41 wood with full SN both matching black fox mags.. see post 104
1327KĂĽ, BYF 41, black fxo mag (from Wehrmacht Awards Forum)
1357KĂĽ, BYF 41, S/42, W/154, wood, matching 1357+ fxo mag
1412 Ku, BYF 41
1421KĂĽ, BYF 41 Reblued.. (from Rock Island Auction catalog)
1431KĂĽ, 41/42, S/42-W/154, wood 1431, black fxo #1431, no stamps on entire toggle assembly except for 42 code
1438KĂĽ, BYF 41. Deactivated ...see post 92
1533KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154, wood 1533, 1 matching alum mag, plum colored extractor
1603KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154
1622KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1622, black fxo, no E/LA on breechblock
1630KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips, in Germany, see post 115
1639Ku, 41 BYF, Both matching alum bottom mags. see post 168
1675KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood, black fxo mag 2640+
1699KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood 1699, matching alum mag
1702KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood not numbered. Matching "+" alum fxo mag ...see post #65
1768KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1768, black fxo, unnumbered breechblock
1834KĂĽ, 1938 BYF VOPO East German rework
1918KĂĽ, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, 42 before SN on left frame, wood grips with SN.
1956KĂĽ, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, wood grips with E/655 and SN, black mag not numbered.
2059KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips and alum bottom FXO mag
2222KĂĽ, 41 BYF, E/655 proofs, numbered wood grips and numbered black bottom mag.
2431KĂĽ, 41 BYF, See post #127
2460KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips, East German Rework See post #71
2520KĂĽ, 41 BYF. E/655, Type 1 black grips, black bottom mag
2653Ku, 41 BYF. Vopo rework.. see post #175 for details
2678KĂĽ, 41 BYF, Both matching black bottom mags
2580 Ku, 41/42 , see posts 130 & 132
2790KĂĽ, 41 BYF, E/135, wood 2790, black fxo, breechblock not numbered
2800Ku, 41/42, see post 170
2866KĂĽ, 41/42, E/655, wood 2866, matching black fxo, sideplate 42 coded
3050 KĂĽ, 41/42, See post #108 for pictures and details
3073 Ku, 41/42, see post #78 for pictures. Black grips & MATCHING + MAG..
5148Ku, 41 BYF, E/655 , wood grips with 48 & E/655... see post 159
KĂĽ 1465, 41 BYF, HK type wood grips not numbered. No proofs on breechblock
KĂĽ 3128, 41/42, E/655, wood 3128, black fxo, coupling link blued
KĂĽ 3153, 41/42, wood 3153, 42 code sideplate and safety.. See post 85
KĂĽ 3171, 41/42, E/655, wood grips, black fxo... See post #71
KĂĽ 3220, 41/42, 42 sideplate, 3220 wood grips with E/655, black fox
KĂĽ 3301, 41/42, E/655, wood 3301, black fxo
KĂĽ 3350, 41 BYF, Wood 50. See posts #117 & 118
KĂĽ 3397, 41/42, Wood 97, See post 123
KĂĽ 3418, 41/42, wood 3418 and E/655, black fox, Brit proofs, see post 95
KĂĽ 3426, 41/42, E/655, wood 3426, no breechblock proof, 2 matching alum mags..See post #76
KĂĽ 3469, 41/42, E/655, wood 3469 and E/655, black fxo
KĂĽ 3549, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3549, black fxo
KĂĽ 3599, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3599, black fxo
KĂĽ 3634, 41/42, Appears to perhaps have a renumbered receiver... See post #106 for details
KĂĽ 3642, 41/42, matching numbered black fox
Ku 3653, 41 BYF, See post 142
KĂĽ 3657, 41 BYF, numbered black fxo, safety lever strawed and receiver overstamped
KĂĽ 3720, 41 BYF, reworked and stayed in service after the war. See post #63
Ku 3765, 41 BYF
KĂĽ 3834, 41 DWM, HK coarse brown grips, 42 replacement sideplate see Post #89
Ku¨4258, 41 BYF, E/655, wood grips, Listed in TRL on page 101 and TMP on page 558. See post #111
Ku 4312 41 BYF.. see post 137
Ku 4318 41 BYF E/655 numbered wood grips
KĂĽ 4319, 41 BYF, E/655, matching 42 replacement sideplate, numbered wood grips,black fxo mag,sear bar 1965
KĂĽ 4363, 41/42, E/655, 42 replacement sideplate, wood grips
KĂĽ 4425, 41/42, matching numbered black fxo mag
Ku 4453, 41/42, see post 137
PISTOLS PERHAPS WITH SOME CONNECTION ???
6573 ... No KĂĽ but E/LA accepted. See post 36
6766 KĂĽ .... 42/42 with no E/LA acceptance... See posts 56 & 58
9932 ... DWM 1918/1920 . No KĂĽ but with E/LA acceptance on barrel... See post 68
Using Table 32.1 on page 560 of THE MAUSER PARABELLUM 1930-1946 as a guide one would expect certain standard properties and markings.
---- E/LA acceptance on R/H receiver and L/H of breechblock and barrel
---- The unnumbered parts normally are the hold open, inside of sideplate, rear toggle pin (receiver axle) and the end of the rear toggle link.
What I am searching for are variations from the "normal" if there is such a thing on Ku pistols.
DATA REQUESTED:
1- Serial number...please note if large numbers. Normal size is same as Ku stamp. See examples below for normal or large numbers
2- Chamber date and toggle markings
3- All barrel markings to include gauge
4- Grip information... wood or black plastic and any numbering. See examples below of normal and small numbers.
5- Magazine information...
6- Variations
SN------ CODE -----BARREL ----GRIPS ----MAG ----VARIATIONS
882Ku, BYF 41 B-90 barrrel
1033KĂĽ, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood 1033, unmarked black fxo mag
1177KĂĽ, BYF 41, Black grips, 2 matching alum bottom mags
1242 Ku, BYF 41....wood grips with matching SN
1261KĂĽ, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood with small 1261 & E/655 grips, blank S/42 SE63 mag
1317KĂĽ, BYF 41 wood with full SN both matching black fox mags.. see post 104
1327KĂĽ, BYF 41, black fxo mag (from Wehrmacht Awards Forum)
1357KĂĽ, BYF 41, S/42, W/154, wood, matching 1357+ fxo mag
1412 Ku, BYF 41
1421KĂĽ, BYF 41 Reblued.. (from Rock Island Auction catalog)
1431KĂĽ, 41/42, S/42-W/154, wood 1431, black fxo #1431, no stamps on entire toggle assembly except for 42 code
1438KĂĽ, BYF 41. Deactivated ...see post 92
1533KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154, wood 1533, 1 matching alum mag, plum colored extractor
1603KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154
1622KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1622, black fxo, no E/LA on breechblock
1630KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips, in Germany, see post 115
1639Ku, 41 BYF, Both matching alum bottom mags. see post 168
1675KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood, black fxo mag 2640+
1699KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood 1699, matching alum mag
1702KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood not numbered. Matching "+" alum fxo mag ...see post #65
1768KĂĽ, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1768, black fxo, unnumbered breechblock
1834KĂĽ, 1938 BYF VOPO East German rework
1918KĂĽ, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, 42 before SN on left frame, wood grips with SN.
1956KĂĽ, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, wood grips with E/655 and SN, black mag not numbered.
2059KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips and alum bottom FXO mag
2222KĂĽ, 41 BYF, E/655 proofs, numbered wood grips and numbered black bottom mag.
2431KĂĽ, 41 BYF, See post #127
2460KĂĽ, 41 BYF, wood grips, East German Rework See post #71
2520KĂĽ, 41 BYF. E/655, Type 1 black grips, black bottom mag
2653Ku, 41 BYF. Vopo rework.. see post #175 for details
2678KĂĽ, 41 BYF, Both matching black bottom mags
2580 Ku, 41/42 , see posts 130 & 132
2790KĂĽ, 41 BYF, E/135, wood 2790, black fxo, breechblock not numbered
2800Ku, 41/42, see post 170
2866KĂĽ, 41/42, E/655, wood 2866, matching black fxo, sideplate 42 coded
3050 KĂĽ, 41/42, See post #108 for pictures and details
3073 Ku, 41/42, see post #78 for pictures. Black grips & MATCHING + MAG..
5148Ku, 41 BYF, E/655 , wood grips with 48 & E/655... see post 159
KĂĽ 1465, 41 BYF, HK type wood grips not numbered. No proofs on breechblock
KĂĽ 3128, 41/42, E/655, wood 3128, black fxo, coupling link blued
KĂĽ 3153, 41/42, wood 3153, 42 code sideplate and safety.. See post 85
KĂĽ 3171, 41/42, E/655, wood grips, black fxo... See post #71
KĂĽ 3220, 41/42, 42 sideplate, 3220 wood grips with E/655, black fox
KĂĽ 3301, 41/42, E/655, wood 3301, black fxo
KĂĽ 3350, 41 BYF, Wood 50. See posts #117 & 118
KĂĽ 3397, 41/42, Wood 97, See post 123
KĂĽ 3418, 41/42, wood 3418 and E/655, black fox, Brit proofs, see post 95
KĂĽ 3426, 41/42, E/655, wood 3426, no breechblock proof, 2 matching alum mags..See post #76
KĂĽ 3469, 41/42, E/655, wood 3469 and E/655, black fxo
KĂĽ 3549, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3549, black fxo
KĂĽ 3599, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3599, black fxo
KĂĽ 3634, 41/42, Appears to perhaps have a renumbered receiver... See post #106 for details
KĂĽ 3642, 41/42, matching numbered black fox
Ku 3653, 41 BYF, See post 142
KĂĽ 3657, 41 BYF, numbered black fxo, safety lever strawed and receiver overstamped
KĂĽ 3720, 41 BYF, reworked and stayed in service after the war. See post #63
Ku 3765, 41 BYF
KĂĽ 3834, 41 DWM, HK coarse brown grips, 42 replacement sideplate see Post #89
Ku¨4258, 41 BYF, E/655, wood grips, Listed in TRL on page 101 and TMP on page 558. See post #111
Ku 4312 41 BYF.. see post 137
Ku 4318 41 BYF E/655 numbered wood grips
KĂĽ 4319, 41 BYF, E/655, matching 42 replacement sideplate, numbered wood grips,black fxo mag,sear bar 1965
KĂĽ 4363, 41/42, E/655, 42 replacement sideplate, wood grips
KĂĽ 4425, 41/42, matching numbered black fxo mag
Ku 4453, 41/42, see post 137
PISTOLS PERHAPS WITH SOME CONNECTION ???
6573 ... No KĂĽ but E/LA accepted. See post 36
6766 KĂĽ .... 42/42 with no E/LA acceptance... See posts 56 & 58
9932 ... DWM 1918/1920 . No KĂĽ but with E/LA acceptance on barrel... See post 68