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Ku DATA REQUEST

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#1 · (Edited)
The purpose of this study is to try and learn more about the elusive Kü pistol. Hopefully it will also be a place where members can report Kü pistols that had not been previously reported.

Using Table 32.1 on page 560 of THE MAUSER PARABELLUM 1930-1946 as a guide one would expect certain standard properties and markings.

---- E/LA acceptance on R/H receiver and L/H of breechblock and barrel

---- The unnumbered parts normally are the hold open, inside of sideplate, rear toggle pin (receiver axle) and the end of the rear toggle link.

What I am searching for are variations from the "normal" if there is such a thing on Ku pistols.

DATA REQUESTED:

1- Serial number...please note if large numbers. Normal size is same as Ku stamp. See examples below for normal or large numbers
2- Chamber date and toggle markings
3- All barrel markings to include gauge
4- Grip information... wood or black plastic and any numbering. See examples below of normal and small numbers.
5- Magazine information...
6- Variations

SN------ CODE -----BARREL ----GRIPS ----MAG ----VARIATIONS


882Ku, BYF 41 B-90 barrrel

1033Kü, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood 1033, unmarked black fxo mag

1177Kü, BYF 41, Black grips, 2 matching alum bottom mags


1242 Ku, BYF 41....wood grips with matching SN

1261Kü, BYF 41,S/42-W/154, wood with small 1261 & E/655 grips, blank S/42 SE63 mag

1317Kü, BYF 41 wood with full SN both matching black fox mags.. see post 104

1327Kü, BYF 41, black fxo mag (from Wehrmacht Awards Forum)

1357Kü, BYF 41, S/42, W/154, wood, matching 1357+ fxo mag

1412 Ku, BYF 41

1421Kü, BYF 41 Reblued.. (from Rock Island Auction catalog)


1431Kü, 41/42, S/42-W/154, wood 1431, black fxo #1431, no stamps on entire toggle assembly except for 42 code

1438Kü, BYF 41. Deactivated ...see post 92

1533Kü, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154, wood 1533, 1 matching alum mag, plum colored extractor

1603Kü, 41 BYF, S/42-W/154

1622Kü, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1622, black fxo, no E/LA on breechblock

1630Kü, 41 BYF, wood grips, in Germany, see post 115

1639Ku, 41 BYF, Both matching alum bottom mags. see post 168

1675Kü, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood, black fxo mag 2640+

1699Kü, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood 1699, matching alum mag

1702Kü, 41 BYF, S/42, Wood not numbered. Matching "+" alum fxo mag ...see post #65

1768Kü, 41 BYF, S/42-W154, wood 1768, black fxo, unnumbered breechblock

1834Kü, 1938 BYF VOPO East German rework

1918Kü, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, 42 before SN on left frame, wood grips with SN.

1956Kü, 1939 BYF, E/655 barrel, wood grips with E/655 and SN, black mag not numbered.

2059Kü, 41 BYF, wood grips and alum bottom FXO mag

2222Kü, 41 BYF, E/655 proofs, numbered wood grips and numbered black bottom mag.

2431Kü, 41 BYF, See post #127

2460Kü, 41 BYF, wood grips, East German Rework See post #71

2520Kü, 41 BYF. E/655, Type 1 black grips, black bottom mag

2653Ku, 41 BYF. Vopo rework.. see post #175 for details

2678Kü, 41 BYF, Both matching black bottom mags

2580 Ku, 41/42 , see posts 130 & 132

2790Kü, 41 BYF, E/135, wood 2790, black fxo, breechblock not numbered

2800Ku, 41/42, see post 170

2866Kü, 41/42, E/655, wood 2866, matching black fxo, sideplate 42 coded

3050 Kü, 41/42, See post #108 for pictures and details

3073 Ku, 41/42, see post #78 for pictures. Black grips & MATCHING + MAG..

5148Ku, 41 BYF, E/655 , wood grips with 48 & E/655... see post 159

Kü 1465, 41 BYF, HK type wood grips not numbered. No proofs on breechblock

Kü 3128, 41/42, E/655, wood 3128, black fxo, coupling link blued

Kü 3153, 41/42, wood 3153, 42 code sideplate and safety.. See post 85

Kü 3171, 41/42, E/655, wood grips, black fxo... See post #71

Kü 3220, 41/42, 42 sideplate, 3220 wood grips with E/655, black fox

3301, 41/42, E/655, wood 3301, black fxo

Kü 3350, 41 BYF, Wood 50. See posts #117 & 118

Kü 3397, 41/42, Wood 97, See post 123


Kü 3418, 41/42, wood 3418 and E/655, black fox, Brit proofs, see post 95

Kü 3426, 41/42, E/655, wood 3426, no breechblock proof, 2 matching alum mags..See post #76

Kü 3469, 41/42, E/655, wood 3469 and E/655, black
fxo

Kü 3549, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3549, black fxo

Kü 3599, 41 BYF, E/655, wood 3599, black fxo


Kü 3634, 41/42, Appears to perhaps have a renumbered receiver... See post #106 for details

3642, 41/42, matching numbered black fox

Ku 3653, 41 BYF, See post 142

Kü 3657,
41 BYF, numbered black fxo, safety lever strawed and receiver overstamped

3720, 41 BYF, reworked and stayed in service after the war. See post #63

Ku 3765, 41 BYF

Kü 3834, 41 DWM, HK coarse brown grips, 42 replacement sideplate see Post #89

Ku¨4258, 41 BYF, E/655, wood grips, Listed in TRL on page 101 and TMP on page 558. See post #111
Ku 4312 41 BYF.. see post 137

Ku 4318 41 BYF E/655 numbered wood grips

Kü 4319, 41 BYF, E/655, matching 42 replacement sideplate, numbered wood grips,black fxo mag,sear bar 1965

Kü 4363, 41/42, E/655, 42 replacement sideplate, wood grips

4425, 41/42, matching numbered black fxo mag

Ku 4453, 41/42, see post 137


PISTOLS PERHAPS WITH SOME CONNECTION ???

6573 ... No Kü but E/LA accepted. See post 36
6766 Kü .... 42/42 with no E/LA acceptance... See posts 56 & 58
9932 ... DWM 1918/1920 . No Kü but with E/LA acceptance on barrel... See post 68
 
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#103 ·
Ku 3634 byf 41

Thanks to Gary I found this thread, so I have something to study and something to add! The mag. shown did not come with the gun it was purchased afterwards it did have a un-numbered black plastic base mag.
Happy hunting!
Peter


 
#105 ·
I'll preface this by saying I know very little about the variations in proof marks, etc. so please feel free to correct any misinformation I've posted based on the supplied photos. Each photo I've used to reference data is BOLDED next to each data point.

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DATA REQUESTED:


1- Serial number - 3050Ku [10]
2- Chamber date - 41 [4] Toggle markings - 42;50 [5]
3- All barrel markings to include gauge - No barrel markings [1, 2]
4- Grip information - Wood; haven't removed grips yet to check for numbering, will add upon disassembly [1, 2]
5- Magazine information - 3481; "Backwards u" (Erfurt or DMW proof?); Eagle-like proof; 63 [14]
6- Variations - Eagle like proof on starboard side of pistol [11]
 
#108 ·
List Addition : I wasn't sure if this Kü was on your list or not.

Kü4258 - Large Digit - All parts matching (58)

41 / byf -- Back of rear toggle link unmarked.

Proofs:
Barrel - Luftwaffe proof & Eagle 655 (left side) No serial number or bore gauge.
Receiver - Luftwaffe proof - right side.
Breechblock - Luftwaffe proof - left side.

Wood grips - Matching 4 digit serial number / Eagle 655 / V on back side.

Haenel blue steel magazine - FXO / Eagle 37 /P.08 / unmarked aluminum base.

Breechblock is 42 code marked - Thumb safety is S42 code marked.

Kü4258 is pictured on page 101 in Third Reich Lugers by Jan C. Still.

Thanks,
Wayne
 

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#114 ·
From an Estate...I didn't put the white on it.... Enjoy

Ku 3350....Spectacular shape......mint bore...
41 Chamber date with BYF toggle
Receiver: KU 3350 3mm numbers....E/LA right side
Frame: P. 08 marked......5 point star inside take down well along w/a small 0 and a bigger S
Barrel: E/LA proofed w/ SE/655 (lightly struck)...no gauge or sn
Toggle: 50 on center link....E/LA left side of breechblock along w/ small hardness dot...back link unmarked
Take down: 50
Trigger: 50
Safety Bar: 50 at top....Safety Lever: 50 on top 42 on bottom
Hold Open: 50
Side Plate: 50 on outside....5 pt star on inside
Rear Axle: 50
Firing Pin: 50 Fluted
Grips: Wood...both have 50 inside... left side also has a V
Mag: Blue Hanel type marked FXO and P 08 on bottom left along with SE 37 top and bottom...3350 with a +....4 mm numbers

Al

 
#126 · (Edited)
Plastic Toy Ku Ser. #1253 Ku

Just acquired this toy Ku from Forum Member (luger666) to match my real Ku. Curious where the real Ku model ended up after they made the mold for the toy. When I placed them side by side, the toy is slightly smaller, but not by much. I wanted it as a companion and conversation piece. My number Ku 3350, is already in your database.s
 

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