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    Default Early Melior , Jieffeco and Phoenix the serial numbers

    sn the name on the slide cal.6.35 cal.7.65 grips the magazine catch on the left grip The serrations at the front of The breech block
    106 Phoenix X X
    108 Phoenix X X
    242 Phoenix X X
    258 Phoenix X X
    260 Phoenix X X
    273 Phoenix X X
    302 Phoenix X X
    304 Phoenix X X
    316 Phoenix X X
    334 Phoenix X X
    364 Phoenix X X
    411 Phoenix X X
    420 Phoenix X X
    446 Phoenix X X
    499 Phoenix X X
    502 Phoenix X X
    543 Phoenix X X
    554 Phoenix X X
    613 Phoenix X X
    637 Phoenix X X
    729 Phoenix X X
    738 Phoenix X X
    1008 Phoenix X X
    1018 Phoenix X X
    1030 Melior X R&K 1a X
    1116 Melior X R&K 1a X
    1252 Melior X R&K 1a X
    1314 Melior X R&K 1a X
    1573 Melior X R&K 1a X
    1779 Melior X R&K 1a X
    2004 Melior X Melior 1c X
    2474 Melior X R&K 1a X
    2695 Melior X R&K 1a X
    2772 Melior R&K 1a X
    3477 Melior X Moritz Magnus 1b X
    3873
    3885 Melior X Moritz Magnus 1b X
    4000 Melior X R&K 1a X
    4094
    4122 Melior X Moritz Magnus
    1b
    X
    4645 Melior X R&K 1a X
    5042 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    5359 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    5460 Jieffeco X Elk horn1d X
    6247 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    6479 Jieffeco X wood 1d X
    6551 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    6628 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    6675 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    6695 Melior X Melior 1c X
    6849
    6998 Melior X Melior 1c X
    7291 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    7389 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    7461 Melior X Melior 1c X
    8181 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    8305 selbstlade pistole X JF&co 1d X
    8309 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    8362 Jieffeco X Moritz Magnus 1b X
    8493 Melior X Melior 1c X
    8703 selbstlade pistole X JF&co 1d X
    9024 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    9110
    9136 Melior X Melior 1c X
    9359 Melior X Melior 1c X
    9534 selbstlade pistole X R&K 1a X
    9652 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    9900 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    10013 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    10209 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    10217 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    10297
    10577 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    11354 Melior X Melior 1c X
    11390 Melior X Melior 1c X
    11947 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    12034 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X
    12166 selbstlade pistole X JF&co 1d X
    12634 Melior X Melior 1c X X
    12860 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X X
    12930 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X X
    13337 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X X
    13397 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X X
    13680 Jieffeco X JF&co 1d X X
    13690 Melior X Melior 1c X X
    14104 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    14247 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    14790 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    14842 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    15244 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    15737 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    16303 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    16362 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    16370 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    16376 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    16751 Melior X Melior 2c X
    16874 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    17170 Jieffeco X wood 2b X
    17278 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    17292 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    17548 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    17560 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    17897 Melior X Melior 2c X
    18007 Melior X Melior 2c X
    18030 Melior X Melior 2c X
    18284 Melior X Melior 2c X
    18379 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    18423 Melior X Melior 2c X
    18666 Melior X Moritz Magnus 2a X
    19693 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    19714 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    19871 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    20009 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    20012 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    20164 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    20316 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    20322 Melior X JF&co 1b X
    20325 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    20844 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    21021 Jieffeco X JF&co 1b X
    21803 Melior X Melior 1a X
    22269 Melior X Melior 1a X X
    22287 Melior X Melior 1a X X
    22673 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22720 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22774 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22785 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22830 Melior X Melior 2a X
    22895 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22903 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22918 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    22922 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    23340 Melior X Melior 2a X
    23438 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    24252 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    24430 Melior X Melior 2a X
    25452 Melior X Melior 2a X
    25482 Melior X Melior 2a X
    25542 Melior X Melior 2a X
    25664 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    25690 Melior X Melior 2a X
    25827 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    26108 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26221 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26271 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    26398 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26402 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26421 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26425 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26431 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26436 Melior X wood2a X
    26456 Melior X Hand made2a X
    26663 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26921 Melior X Melior 2a X
    26965 Melior X Melior 2a X
    27196 Melior X unc 2a X
    27301 Melior X Hand made2a X
    27306 Melior X Hand made2a X
    30420 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    30474 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    30499 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    30638 Melior X Melior 2c X
    30741 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    30758 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    30947 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    31136 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    31623 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    31708 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    31994 Melior X Melior 2c X
    32375 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    32471 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    32480 Melior X unc 2c X
    32535 Melior X Melior 2c X
    32711 Melior X wood2c X
    33151 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    33222 Melior X Melior 2c X
    33401 Melior X Melior 2c X
    33445 Melior X Melior 2c X
    33765 Melior X Melior 2c X
    33840 Melior X Melior 2c X
    34477 Melior X Melior 2c X
    34602 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    34709 Melior X Melior 2c X
    34919 Melior X Melior 2c X
    35009 Melior X Melior 2c X
    35111 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    35150 Melior X Melior 2c X
    35170 Melior X Melior 2c X
    35564 Jieffeco X JF&co 2b X
    35631 Melior X Melior 2c X
    36299 Melior X Melior 2c X
    36360 Melior X Melior 2c X
    36489 Melior X Melior 2c X
    Types of grips Grips 6.35 : 1agr1c.jpg 1bgr1d.jpg 1cgr1a.jpg 1dgr1b.jpg 2agr2a.jpg 2bgr2b.jpg 2cgr2c.jpg Grips 7.65 : 1agr4a.jpg 1bgr4b.jpg 2agr5a.jpg 2bgr6a.jpg
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    Vaclav,

    I can add nos. 302 and 273. Follow the link below to see no. 273 in its original box (this one in rare excellent shape), as displayed on the Coltautos.com website:

    http://www.coltautos.com/1908vpac.htm

    I'm sure I can add a few more numbers. Give me a little time and I'll look through my library of saved photos.
    Regards,
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humble Pie View Post
    Vaclav,

    I can add nos. 302 and 273. Follow the link below to see no. 273 in its original box (this one in rare excellent shape), as displayed on the Coltautos.com website:

    http://www.coltautos.com/1908vpac.htm

    I'm sure I can add a few more numbers. Give me a little time and I'll look through my library of saved photos.
    Bob, thank you very much!
    This beautiful photo of the box, and even the manual is.
    Thank you for your serial number. I certainly want to see them.
    To fill the table I need time, and perhaps help to determine the name of the parts. Correct me if I'm not exactly call the parts.

    Regards ,
    Vaclav

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    Good morning to everybody.
    I am a new entry, thanks at Vaclav. I would like to know more about this type of gun. I'm an owner of one in 7,65 cal, Jieffeco. Are there some forum dedicated, not only for marked numbers? Are theree maybe some books?

    Many Thanks and Happy Easter to everybody.

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    Guido, you're probably man to whom I prevented sell your gun?
    In that case I am glad that you have come to the forum.

    I'll send you a personal message links to information on these guns.
    This information is of course not enough to know all about these guns.
    That is why I created these tables. Here I have shown no detailed information.
    I prepare the material for publication of the book and do not know when it will be released in print.
    All the time appear new facts.

    P.S. If you give me a good picture of your gun, it will help to further explore these pistols.
    If you do not want to show the public, please send an email .
    I will be very grateful.


    Regards

    Vaclav

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    Quote Originally Posted by guygre View Post
    Good morning to everybody.
    I am a new entry, thanks at Vaclav. I would like to know more about this type of gun. I'm an owner of one in 7,65 cal, Jieffeco. Are there some forum dedicated, not only for marked numbers? Are theree maybe some books?

    Many Thanks and Happy Easter to everybody.
    Hello and welcome,

    There are no books in any language asides from period works on Liege firearms. Those are rare and expensive and can be vague.
    You have located the biggest data collection out there thanks to Vaclav.

    Anthony
    Author of FN Browning Pistols, FN Mauser Rifles, Holsters & Shoulder-Stocks of the World
    Co-author of Allied Rifle Contracts, Browning Auto-5 Shotguns
    Publisher of VIS Radom, The FN-49
    www.fnbrowning.com

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    Every updated modification of the Melior pistols was advertised as a New model .
    Therefore, you cannot apply this name to a single model .

    new model.jpgnew model 2.jpg

    It concerns the classification of pistols Melior on the website Ed Buffaloe .
    https://www.unblinkingeye.com/Guns/MelNM/melnm.html


    Vaclav

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    Today my collection of documents has been replenished with this original instruction for the Melior pistol of the old 6.35 caliber model.
    As you can see, the instruction is dated 1909 year. publisher: Moritz Magnus Jr. Hamburg.
    This small brochure has 16 pages and several pictures.
    The text is printed in German, English, French and Spanish.

    Here are a few pages to view ....




    Vaclav
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    Vac, excellent presentation on a favorite Belgium pistol, the Melior.....and one we both collect!......Where's the book????
    Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by english View Post
    Vac, excellent presentation on a favorite Belgium pistol, the Melior.....and one we both collect!......Where's the book????
    Joe
    Thank you, Joe .
    Work on the book is not moving as quickly as we would like.

    Regards,
    Vaclav

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