I bought this as a fake 1925 Simson, paid high shooter price, but except for the fake date, the rest of the parts are likely Simson, so worth the money.
Here is a chart of Simson 1925 dates. IMO these are all good, at least one was 'cleaned up' but they are real 1925's.
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Then here is the fake one, what is interesting is the lighting. From a distance, I think it looks pretty good, kind of like what we used to call a 25 foot paint job, looked really nice till you got closer.
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First picture, except for the 5 being a bit off, it looks good to me.
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Under a loup it has tell-tail signs and with a flash, (the flash surprised me how much it made the etching show up), it shows the pantagraph or etching that was done.
I would appreciate a detailed analysis of the fake 1925 date and the details of why it is fake. I see sharp corners on the numbers? My understanding of Pantograph numbers are they are always rounded on the ends, not sharp.
perhaps etched? - sorry if pantagraphed threw the discussion off
1. the latest 1925 dated is before sn 700 (I own 701 and 777, neither is dated)
2. The 5 is misshapen in my opinion
3. a stamp looks a lot different up close, let me see if I have one around
4. See chart above and compare, but some quick shots of a 1925 and 1926
what I consider fake and what I consider real
This other fake "1925" showed up with one of our members (Harrya) in the past...won at Heritage auction but previously sold by PIA to another. Harrya was able to return it to the H-A folks.
The photos off the PIA site are emptied-out but their sales ad is still there.
yeah, pretty much, here is my guide - collector to collector, auction add 20% - retail perhaps 40% - a 1925 with possible issues - depends on what part and how much you want to pay.
One in nice shape - no issues - not matching magazine - $3000
same but matching magazine - $3500-$3800
The price for the 1925 Simson wasn't the only price that was gotten wrong in this thread. Earl Scheib's add
stated, "I will paint any car any color for just $17.95." It ran for a year or two at that price, then went to $19.95.
It then ran for several years at that price before going to $29.95.
Youngsters,
Pat
Thanks Pat.
We used to joke about the Earl Schieb paint jobs; you know everthing was an "add on".
Like if you wanted the chrome to stay chrome it cost extra; windows masked off? yep, extra; at the lowest price point they didn't even sand the old paint and if you wanted the windows rolled up to protect the upholstery - another "extra".
ES has nothing to do with the 1925 Simson fake, so to bring us back on topic - kind of- I'll ask two questions and you can have the last word!
1-Would you (or anyone else who wants to comment) have the 1925 "removed" and the piece re-finished to bring it back to it's "original condition"?
My answer to 1, is, one mess is bad enough. A re-finish would just create another mess and this answers 2, also.
Pat
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